Negredo to City seems imminent. Any time you can pay £22M for a 28-year-old forward, you gotta take it, right?

I make snarky comments like this a lot, but talking to readers yesterday, it was made abundantly clear that this whole “value” crusade I thought was totally obvious is actually clear as mud.

It makes an excellent excuse for an article though, right?

Today I’m going to talk generally about age and transfer values, and then specifically about how Manchester City are going about this summer all wrong.

One of the problems I have with who Manchester City have purchased this summer is the age of their targets. Ignore the fact that they seem to be overpaying for players no other teams were in for, I want to focus on why paying big money for players age 28 or older is just bad strategy, even when your owners swim through vaults of gold every morning.

Performance Value and the Aging Curve
This seems like a good place to start because it’s one of the areas that seems to cause the most confusion.

What is the aging curve?

The aging curve is an explanation of how player performance changes at different ages. The human body matures and deteriorates over time, and that will have a strong impact on the performances of elite athletes. Baseball’s aging curve is a fairly long one for sport, and looks something like this (from Baseball Prospectus):


And it’s commonly used to project how players will continue to produce as they age. Baseball is lucky in that they had hundreds of thousands of player seasons to analyse and project future player development. Unfortunately for football, it lived in an information stone age for most of the sport’s life. Despite the fact the game has been played professionally for over 100 years, the only detailed data we can access on player seasons goes back about um… five. Ow.

Anyway, the curve for EPL forwards looks like this

forwards age and goals per 90

This type of curve actually changes based on what position you are examining. Forwards have the earliest peak and decline, then come midfielders, defenders, and finally goalkeepers. There have been a couple of different studies on this, most recently by Ben Pugsley, who concluded the that the peak for Forwards in the English Premier League starts as early as 23 and lasts through age 26, at which point performances start to decline. (The earlier study I read – and unfortunately can’t find at the moment – pegged forwards at 24-27, so this mostly agrees.)

This isn’t to say that every player will experience this decline. As Ben noted in his Top 10 Forward Seasons article, the best performance from the last six years was from a 31-year-old. However, the aging curve is real, and it’s something teams definitely need to keep in mind when buying transfer targets.

Example: 24 years old vs. 28
Let’s take the exact same average forward and break him into two time eras. In one era, he is transferred after a breakout season when he is 23 years old. In the second era, he transfers after yet another good season when he’s 27 years old, so the buying team is getting a 24-year-old in one era, and a 28-year-old in the other. Both times our example player signs a four-year contract.


I’ve done a bit of smoothing to Ben’s data, but those are the basic averages for goals per 90 across a broader population, multiplied by a 38 game season. Ignoring price completely, buying the older player lowers the production you are likely to receive by about 22-25%.

Elite clubs expect more from their forwards though. What about if we apply this to someone with a higher level of output? This would take a forward who averaged 20 goals per season during their peak (an excellent rate), and instead return 15 goals per year. That difference turns what was an elite forward during their peak into merely a good one.

World class players are in short supply and fantastically expensive. Good ones are prevalent, and cost far less. Thus it would also lop a massive amount of money off any potential transfer fee for performance reasons alone.

Survivor Selection Bias
What’s interesting is that the actual output expectation of the 30 and older years is likely far worse for the entire forward population you measured back at age 22. The seasons recorded in the studies are biased toward guys who were still playing solid minutes at forward age 30 and beyond. Most of them were outstanding performers in their earlier years and still playing at a high level in the Premier League as they passed through 30. That doesn’t include all of the guys who dropped off the map due to injury, transferred to easier leagues, or who were replaced by better, younger candidates on their own teams. The PL is now hugely competitive for positional spots, and most teams show no sentiment in chucking older players aside for ones that can generally help them win now.

Asset Value
This is the other big reason transfer values should decrease massively as players get older. A 26-year-old player with two years left on their contract can usually be resold for the full amount if a club finds them to be surplus requirements. A 30-year-old in the same situation cannot.

At age 27, Dimitar Berbatov cost Manchester United £30M to secure his services. Aged 31, and only one season removed from one of the best performances by a forward in recent EPL history, he moved to Fulham for only £4M.  David Villa is a similar case study, and these are the guys who were still pretty good at goalscoring at the time of their moves. For ones that suffer a sharper age-related decline, their salaries are sunk costs.

Wage and Performance Opportunity Cost
Image from season, every football team in the world has finite resources.  Even if their owners are willing to spend limitless amounts of money on transfer fees and wages, they have at least one thing they cannot change: playing time. League seasons have the exact same amount of minutes to be filled. Cup runs will be of varying lengths, but even those have a hard maximum of minutes to be played.

In reality, every player budget is fixed as well. Teams have a total budget they are willing to spend on player fees and potential transfers, which is then adjusted by the players they sell, and that’s it. This is especially true now that the Premier League has instituted a new soft cap on salary growth.

What this means is that signing any one player has an opportunity cost in the form of a) their wages and b) playing time. Minutes are finite. Money to be spent on wages is also finite. Buying and playing one guy excludes you from playing another at the same position. For Champions League purposes, roster spots are also finite. You only get 25 dudes, and even the ones you can name there have some restrictions about locality.

Why do we care about this from a value perspective?

Because wages and playing time given to declining players over the age of 30 cannot be given to their time-shifted, better performing dopplegangers who are only 25 or 26 years old. Would you rather your team played the guy who will return 100% on his performance potential or the exact same guy returning 75%?

Premier League titles are won by the finest of margins. A 22-25% decline in goal difference last year would have been enough to take the league leaders to third. This stuff matters.

Manchester City’s Summer
As I write this, Alvaro Negredo has been reported as signed by Spanish media for 25M Euros plus 3M in bonuses, so somewhere between £21.5 and £24M. He turns 28 in August. They also signed Jesus Navas this summer for £15M plus bonuses (turns 28 in November), and Fernandinho for £30M, who turned 28 in May.

That’s a total minimum outlay on transfer fees alone of £76M for players who are already in decline.

Look, I think all of them are good players, but that £76M paid will be more like £20M in retained value when these guys turn 30, which is only two summers from now. Additionally, by that time they will likely take minutes from players who could contribute better performances for the team as a whole, simply because they are younger.

There is a correct way to buy older players that you think can help your team – at a discount. What City have been doing this summer ain’t it.

If City wanted to things correctly, they should have paid more for guys who were 23-25, but who would have been entering the peaks of their aging curves. They would have retained a ton of value at the end of their contracts, and not forced replacements for performance reasons 2-3 seasons from now (and at additional cost, but one that is hard to calculate). Instead they overpaid for guys that are 28 now, will need to be replaced sooner rather than later, and will have almost no residual value halfway through their contracts.

City’s owners may be richer than God, but their recent buying spree isn’t logically or analytically sound. It practically ignores the fact that they’ll need every bit of edge they can get this season and in the years to come to further stock the trophy case.


  • Toshack

    Interesting Ted!

    In trying to find at least some loophole in your piece 🙂
    Is there a value for top flight experience (playing CL, Euros, World Cups) or for perhaps being able to guide or influence younger players or even the entire team; see Mauricio Pellegrino and zonal marking in Liverpool (i knowhe was on a free but its’ an example)?
    Or bringing in a leader on or off the pitch; see Jaime Carragher when Liverpool needed hist ype on the pitch (not a good example I know since he wasn’t traded, but you get my drift?

    There has to be some mitigating factor buying an older, more experienced, player – or is this alreadyt aken into consideration in “the model”?

    • tknutso

      There are likely closet cases where this makes sense, just as you can with anything in life. You probably don’t want a team comprised entirely of younger guys, but who knows? What we do know is that the ageing curve is science, and who doesn’t love science? 😀

  • Steve

    The problem I have with your argument is that it is all based on the average performance of players, but an individual player’s ‘performance curve’ could look very different to that of the average. For example, surely no-one would dispute that some players are late developers, yet you claim that Fernandinho, Navas & Negredo “are already in decline” based solely on their age.

    Looking at the recent performance of those players: Navas created the most chances & delivered the most accurate crosses in La Liga last season. I don’t know how his figures differ from previous seasons but it’s fair to say he had a very good season. Fernandinho had very high player ratings for his CL performances last season. And Negredo had his best season to date. If you created a “performance curve” for each of these 3 players I would expect it to be sloping upwards, not downwards, as it would need to be if these players were “are already in decline”.

    Regarding your claim that City have overpaid for those 3 players. I agree that £30m for Fernandinho is high for a 28 yo CM. I find it difficult to see why Navas is overvalued at £15m, though. It’s not a huge fee, and given how quick he is he should still be able to beat fullbacks for a few years to come. And I find it similarly difficult to understand why you think Negredo is overvalued at £22m.

    Here’s some goalscoring stats (excluding penalties) from last season for a few strikers:

    Negredo (age 27yrs 11mths): 21 goals, 7.0 shots/goal, 145 mins/goal – valuation £22m
    Cavani (age 26yrs 5mths): 22 goals, 6.8 shots/goal, 136 mins/goal – valuation £54m
    Falcao (age 27yrs 5mths): 20 goals, 5.8 shots/goal, 144 mins/goal – valuation £51m
    Suarez (age 26yrs 4mths): 23 goals, 8.1 shots/goal, 128 mins/goal – valuation £40m
    RvP (age 29yrs 11mths): 22 goals, 6.2 shots/goal, 142 mins/goal – valuation £40m (transfermarkt)

    Comparing over longer periods in case last season was a 1-off (I don’t have stats for Falcao or RvP):

    Negredo at Sevilla (4 seasons): 59 goals, 7.0 shots/goal, 169 mins/goal
    Cavani at Napoli (3 seasons): 63 goals, 6.2 shots/goal, 140 mins/goal
    Suarez at Liverpool (2.5 seasons): 38 goals, 9.7 shots/goal, 173 mins/goal

    If you consider:

    * the price premium for strikers;
    * that Negredo’s performance last season was remarkably similar to strikers who cost or are valued at 2x – 2.5x as much as he is (and who range from being older 2 yrs older to being 19 months younger than him);
    * Negredo’s longer term goalscoring record is relatively consistent, so it cannot be put down to having 1 good season
    * Negredo’s stats are likely to be lower than those of strikers who play for better teams than Sevilla
    * that Suarez requires 40% more shots/goal than Negredo yet Suarez costs 80% more

    So I fail to see how Negredo is overvalued at £22m given all of the above.

    Also, given the age and the transfer fees or valuations of all of the players mentioned above, the clubs who bought (or are about to buy) them obviously don’t subscribe to your argument that players past the age of 26 or 27 are necessarily in decline and that they would be better off buying strikers at the age of 23. RvP is the best example of this as he’s had the best 2 seasons of his career at the age of 28 and 29.

    • Sriram

      Absolutely agreed,predicting the peak of a player is difficult and varied-it depends on the team in which he plays,the league and the manager too-pellegrini is known for utilising players supposedly past their peak and utilise them to their potentialities(Julio Baptista and Roque Santa Cruz to name a few) and also for unearthing unknown talents.

      Whilst i am a fan of statistical analysis,its merely a tool to complement existing notions about a player,and unfortunately,does not take into account the aforementioned points .

    • Ludwig

      I would argue that Ted is making a point regarding the resale value of the players in question at the end of their contracts rather than their capabilities. No matter how one looks at it, these players’ performances during the 2012-2013 season potentially represent a peak, and it is that peak which is alluded to as a factor potentially disregarded to the detriment of the club. While some players are able to escape the statistical norm (RvP is one as you mentioned, Didier Drogba also comes to mind) the norm is the norm for a reason; it is a general rule that is accurate enough to apply across a broad basis. If RvP’s performances at the age of 29 could be thought of as normal, then we wouldn’t be having this conversation in the first place, we would instead be discussing Ted’s article about how Manchester City managed to capture three players the year before they could be expected to have their best seasons ever.

  • Sand

    Is there a reasonable way to tweak this metric to consider games played in combination with age? My concern is a possible significant difference in speed of decline between a player who has run out 75 times for his country, or has 75 champions league caps verses the same player who did not have games on champions league dates or international dates.

  • Paul Warriner

    Hi Ted

    Searched for this:

    You’ll need a subscription, but it might be the research into player ages you were looking for.

    Top site. I can get my geek on whenever I want 🙂

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